Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Arek the Absolute]

I don't see a reason why anyone would need to apologize for being good. They are better at someone else, that is all there is too it. I see apologizing as a sort of an insult actually. It shows that you acknowledge that you are better than someone. Even if your intentions were good, the end result is still kind of in the same line as gloating.

[eternal Zero]

I don't see a reason why anyone would need to apologize for being good. They are better at someone else, that is all there is too it. I see apologizing as a sort of an insult actually. It shows that you acknowledge that you are better than someone. Even if your intentions were good, the end result is still kind of in the same line as gloating.

Fair enough. I do use it as a way to gloat occasionally, but this is when I say that then don't switch characters. I dunno, I just like to keep things interesting where it'll be close matches all around so I tend to play to the level of my opponent without realizing it. Both for better and for worse.

[Bigfoot]

I just hate it when my friend is proud of beating people with Sheik, epecially when I use Ness or someone no where near her tier. I sure feel proud whenever I beat his Sheik with Ness though :P

[eternal Zero]

Speaking of tiers, have they changed much recently? I haven't kept up with them cause I don't care too much and don't "believe" in them. I understand they are good indicators of what characters are better, but like what's been said: skill is skill.

[Jam Stunna]

Speaking of tiers, have they changed much recently? I haven't kept up with them cause I don't care too much and don't "believe" in them. I understand they are good indicators of what characters are better, but like what's been said: skill is skill.

This is the most recent one:

Top Tier:
Fox
Falco

High Tier:
Sheik
Marth
Peach

Middle Tier:
Captain Falcon
Ice Climbers
Samus
Doctor Mario
Jigglypuff
Mario
Ganondorf

Low Tier:
Link
Luigi
Donkey Kong
Roy
Young Link
Pikachu

Bottom Tier:
Yoshi
Zelda
Mr. Game and Watch
Ness
Bowser
Kirby
Pichu
Mewtwo

Yeah, I don't see the point in apologizing for being better than someone else. I beat people badly, and people have beat me badly. It's just like any other competition: some people are better than others. It's nothing to apologize for.

[HideousBeing]

The current tiers have not changed in forever. They're outdated. They only remain unchanged because no one want to officially claim, who has gotten better. Because for every person that gets raised, another or more get dropped, and then disputes flame up. For example, I think Link currently places mid-mid-tier in competitive play, but that would cause a great deal of outrage for at least Mario and Ganondorf. So they leave it.
Edit: I like the way the above poster put it. ^ "The most recent one." That's pretty much it. Because it's officially still this since the last census.

[Jam Stunna]

Honestly, to me the tiers seem broken. Yes, Fox has certain advantages over Kirby, but a list where the top two tiers combined have less characters than the bottom tier seems wrong.

[The Author]

Tiers are easy to understand.

Simply put, the top characters are those who beat the bigger loudmouths on smash forums.

[Bigfoot]

"..."

Pretty much sums up this update :P

[linkspast]

oh a fairy....

...

These are good updates, just stuff to keep us happy but nothing too revealing...

[Linkjing Donuts]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/images/technique07/technique07_071113f-l.jpg
super sayain fox

[DuskyFerret]

Thank God you got rid of that bloody milk bottle Link! I can remember so many times playing as Young Link where I would instinctively taunt after killing someone, only to subsequently realise the hell I had unleashed and the position I was now in. SKULL SKULL SKULL...damn...

Haha King Dedede was nicknamed Thor...this amuses me.

And with us being able to input our own text when taunting, I can foresee a relentless assault of "SHOW ME YOUR MOVES!!"

[Bigfoot]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/images/technique07/technique07_071113f-l.jpg
super sayain fox

Are you blind?! That's the Kaoken attack!

[Strike911]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/images/technique07/technique07_071113f-l.jpg
super sayain fox

Cool update, It makes me very happy and seems like a very logical and fun addition.

... but seriously, let's be honest...

Fox looks like he's taking the most painful, firey crap of his life. LOOK I TELL YOU.

His ass has a power level of... 9000.

... also I liked what each player was saying in the image at the bottom, especially the "SNAAAAKE!" one and "Enjoy the view." Teehee.

[Linkjing Donuts]

Are you blind?! That's the Kaoken attack!
i was going to say that, but i didn't know how to spell it

[DuskyFerret]

Haha, this is completely unrelated to Smash Bros., but all these Fox pics reminds me of a new ad on TV for this Australian beer Cascade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3nwRumVkig).

Ha, this will totally make you want to play Star Fox after watching it, and maybe have a beer while you're at it :razz:

[Arek the Absolute]

I highly approve of this update.

[Antipode]

Ha, this will totally make you want to play Star Fox after watching it, and maybe have a beer while you're at it :razz:

I think I will do both of these things right now. Also cool update, but I still wish we could use these text taunts online with random people. Guess that's probably not going to happen.

[Bigfoot]

i was going to say that, but i didn't know how to spell it

Me too, so I googled it, haha.

[JackKieser]

Hey, just got internets back (my computer's boot sector got a physical corruption on it, so I'm off that for a while; oh, the "joys" of the Opera browser), so I thought I'd respond to the 'apologetic player' thing while I have a chance.

So, yeah. When I was saying that the Fox guy seemed 'apologetic' sometimes, it wasn't that he seemed like that because he was good; you're right, it's dumb to feel sorry because you are skilled at something. He seems that way sometimes because he plays Fox the way most people play him: lots of laser-spamming, shine edgeguards, and he pretty much only attacks with either his up throw, his up smash, or his up aerial. The majority of the people who play at school find that style of play... well, we don't like it, to say the least. (Mind you, we deal with it, because who are we to say that it's wrong; we just don't like it for philosophical reasons), and he seems like he sometimes feels bad because most of the people he fights consider his practices unsportsmanlike (in particular, edge-hogging, again for philosophical reasons).

And I don't necessarily see why it's 'gloating' to feel bad when your over-abundance of skill markedly makes other people have less fun. Like I said, we all deal with our frustrations and just grin and bear it, but it also shows that other, more skilled players have a vested interest in OUR enjoyment of the game, as well.

--Jack Kieser

PS: Links taunts rock. Totally makes up for his crappy fight intro.

[cobaltstarfire]

Snakes taunt made me snrk...well with the text that went along with it.

[Hum4n After All]

Yes.
Link's original taunt. So much better than that gay sigh and hair thing he did in Melee.

[Cerrax]

Yes.
Link's original taunt. So much better than that gay sigh and hair thing he did in Melee.

Amen.



Itreally seems like they're bringing back a lot of the old N64 stuff. I miss the old SSB64. I hope it plays similar to it as well. I'd die happy if they gave Link back his old running-A move from the 64 version.

[Sir_NutS]

"snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake!" is priceless.

[Fenrir]

Bahahahaha

[Baleshadow]

Ike's taunt is pretty badass.

[Hawkwing]

Ike's taunt is pretty badass.

QFE



10 CHARACTERS

[Triad Orion]

Ike's taunt is awesome, but Snake's is the best. Period. XD

[Hum4n After All]

Amen.



Itreally seems like they're bringing back a lot of the old N64 stuff. I miss the old SSB64. I hope it plays similar to it as well. I'd die happy if they gave Link back his old running-A move from the 64 version.

True. The most noticeable are the flashes when the characters hit each other. I noticed that right away since the first trailer.
Still hoping for Onix and Hitmonlee to come back.

[BardicKnowledge]

I really enjoyed the Saffron City stage...it'd be nice if some of those classics return.

[Dhsu]

I know people have already mentioned Snake's taunt, but...

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

That pretty much made my entire day.

[Airwalker]

Itreally seems like they're bringing back a lot of the old N64 stuff. I miss the old SSB64. I hope it plays similar to it as well. I'd die happy if they gave Link back his old running-A move from the 64 version.

Speaking of the 64 version, I hope Nintendo releases SSB 64 for the Virtual Console. It would be perfect if they released it on the original December 3rd promised date, which happens to be a VC Monday.

[Neo Samus]

I'm thinking they won't release it until closer to the Feb. 10. Maybe the week before.

[Admiral_C]

I wonder if they'll have more hidden moves in Brawl. Like Samus' Homing Grapple.

I thought it was cool to include stuff like that. Hopefully more (all) characters get something similar.

[cobaltstarfire]

True. The most noticeable are the flashes when the characters hit each other. I noticed that right away since the first trailer.
Still hoping for Onix and Hitmonlee to come back.

It'd be awesome if Hitmonlee was back! I had forgotten about him but played the 64 version a few days ago and one popped out. It greatly amused me.

[Arek the Absolute]

i had one seriously weird dream last night
ok so i was in my room playing brawl and i was playing as kirby and i had peach and dk with me and we were jamming through dk's forest so we could get back to kirbys warpstar

when we finally got to it k.rool was there and dk was like ah hell nah i got this kirby you get the fuck out of here *with motions of course because from we gathered in the trailers, noone actually talks* and dk charged at k.rool and kirby and peach dashed for the warpstar and flew the fuck out of there
so kirby and peach were flying back to the halberd because kirby had to fly back there and while flying there peach noticed mario running towards bowsers keep so she pointed down and kirby flew low to the ground and peach jumped off and used her umbrella to fly to the ground so then peach reunited with mario and kirby flew off by himself because he is a bad ass and doesnt need anyone to assist him

then it cut to metaknight watching from a tree somewhere as kirby flew back to the halberd and metaknight flew there too and whoa suddenly im playing as metaknight
so im on the halberd all my peeps are attacking me so i figured that the black mage looking dude who we saw in the beginning trailer really took over the halberd and so im metaknight trying to get it back
i bust through the level and suddenly it goes to the map of the halberd that you see in kirby super star except its completely redone in 3d and it showed an explosion on the right wing

then it goes back to kirby and flies onto the right wing and i play as him busting through the level and kicking some ass and i go into the main cockpit area then it goes to the map and shows the right wing blow up

then it goes to a cutscene where metaknight and kirby meet up and kirby is like wtf and metaknight just glares and kirby whips out his sword and then metaknight does because even though they have similar goals they are still rivals you know so then it goes to a battle and im controlling kirby which is not bad since i figured you know i must have been playing through his arc of the story anyways

so the fights over and metaknights on the floor owned and kirby moves forward to the room where the blackmage is and they fight and when the fights over it goes back to the 3d map with the whole halberd blowin up and going down and then it goes back to kirby and i apparently have to get the fuck out of there so im running and theres this timer and im like shit i gotta gtfo but i dont make it in time but wait metaknight all of a sudden flies and grabs me and we fly off of the halberd and it lands in the ocean completely owned and metaknight drops off kirby and then like disappears

then i woke up and when i did i wondered why i dreamed of that instead of some hot lovin

seriously though it was pretty odd yet cool but even though it was pretty epic i know the game won't be nearly as cool with each person going against their major enemy in an awesome story style like that


tl;dr

[Triad Orion]

I really enjoyed the Saffron City stage...it'd be nice if some of those classics return.

Failing Saffron City's actual return (which I hope it returns as well), you can probably make a similar setup using the stage editor. Dunno if you could make the moving platforms and you couldn't remake the pokemon door, but you could make the bare skeleton of the stage work, at least... and give it Pokemon music or something.

But yeah, in a lot of ways Brawl looks like a hybrid of Melee and Classic Smash in how it does things with a huge, fresh dose of new stuff thrown in too. I think that's what makes me so excited for it; it's a great mix of old and new. ....Which is really the essence of the series to begin with.

[friendlyHunter]

But yeah, in a lot of ways Brawl looks like a hybrid of Melee and Classic Smash in how it does things with a huge, fresh dose of new stuff thrown in too. I think that's what makes me so excited for it; it's a great mix of old and new. ....Which is really the essence of the series to begin with.
Amen.

And it seems this thread's post count has reached yet another milestone value. Assuming each post has, on average, a power level of 1, and that the total power level of the thread is the sum of the power levels of each of its posts, we can therefore assume that the thread's post count p is approximately equal to its power level p'. So without further ado, I'll cut straight to the ceremonies:


Vegeta!

What does the Brawl thread say about its power level?

[Neo Samus]

Ahem.....*takes deep breath*.....ITS OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Update is a little late......could this mean another character????

[I-n-j-i-n]

Jeez. THREE taunts? And entire buttons assigned to the controllers for taunts only? I think they got a bit too zealous there. But I wish the rest of the game is extravagant and outlandish enough to justify it.

[Arek the Absolute]

hmmm.....
--

[linkspast]

ummm.....
whats going on.. I need my update so I can go to bed...

Just tell me that I can now create a fighter, so I can go to bed..

[Arek the Absolute]

patience dude

[Neo Samus]

patience dude

This usually happens with a character update, yes?

I wanna wait but if the update is not up in about 15 mins I'll have to call it a night. I have work early in the morning.

[Arek the Absolute]

seems to be the trend
if the update doesnt come around by the half hour mark, expect it to by the usual "one hour after japan time" time

[friendlyHunter]

Ahem.....*takes deep breath*.....


http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/images/technique07/technique07_071113f.jpg
ITS OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



WHAT NINE THOUSAND?!



I sure hope they go overboard and make each "account" have not just 3 custom taunt phrases, but 3 custom taunt phrases per character. Then you could come up with such in-context taunts as:
"I am under a box!"
"Oh. A fairy."
"I'm curling myself in some sort of new stretch."
"I give a shout on the spot."

[Neo Samus]

I like what you did with the pic and my post very nice. :wink:

Well I checked the Japanese site and it has been updated.....to what I'm not sure....

Edit...again....UK site has it. talks about Handicap. Interesting.

[Arek the Absolute]

interesting update, but not worth the suspense

[linkspast]

Hmmm dose the UK have DST? are we not getting the updates at 11 any more... . .

[Neo Samus]

interesting update, but not worth the suspense


So true, so true.

[Cerrax]

Weak.




Although the way the handicap is handled is interesting. The auto-handicap I think is much better than it was before. It has a more active purpose in the game now.

[I-n-j-i-n]

An update about handicaps? What now? Update about sound volume?

[eternal Zero]

Now that's a good way to do handicap.

[Bigfoot]

An update about handicaps? What now? Update about sound volume?

Isn't pretty obvious that they're trying to find anything to update with since the delay? I wouldn't be surprised if they gave us an update about how to change the color of the costumes on the character select screen.

[Critical Hit]

Although I hate to beat and rape a long-dead horse, I feel obligated to point out....

"There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users."


"Be kind to beginners! If all you do in brawls is beat up people who don’t know left from right, they’ll never understand the rules of the game, right?
So until now, I’ve always made sure to include handicaps in each game in the series.
But, I began to think that there isn’t much thrill in just making yourself weaker, so I changed the system."

Judging by Sakurai's use of these key words in the second example, it's safe to assume that they also apply to the first...right...? Right? Still have handicaps, still have Ness..... Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out. (also I'm putting my money on ness getting a whole new moveset based on the moves he himself used in mother2, as suggested by others......)

[Strike911]

this is the title screen. You can start the game by pressing "Start!" FANTASTIC!

........

This is the A button! You press the A button with your finger! AMAZING!

........

How grand! This is the pointer! You pick your characters with it! MARVELOUS!

........



Hey sakurai...

this is my caring level! It's bouncing off zero! Yee haw!

[DuskyFerret]

Isn't pretty obvious that they're trying to find anything to update with since the delay? I wouldn't be surprised if they gave us an update about how to change the color of the costumes on the character select screen.

I had a thought recently, not sure if it's already been brought up, but imagine if the usual process of changing the colours, actually changed the characters and their movesets themselves. I know this'll never happen, but imagine if Link's alternate costumes were like WindWaker Link, OOT Link, Young Link, Dark Link etc. each with different movesets. It would save character slots and would be awesome, though it won't happen. You'd have Mario, SMB 3 Mario, Shadow Mario from Sunshine. I guess it would only work for some characters though... ah well just a pointless rant to make up for the boredom of this update.

Maybe if they had more creative costume changes (not necessarily with unique movesets, just more than a simple colour change) then THAT would be a good update.

[Bigfoot]

"This is the power button the Wii. You use this to power on your console to play Super Smash Bros. Brawl! There's is also a power button on the Wii controller."

I had a thought recently, not sure if it's already been brought up, but imagine if the usual process of changing the colours, actually changed the characters and their movesets themselves. I know this'll never happen, but imagine if Link's alternate costumes were like WindWaker Link, OOT Link, Young Link, Dark Link etc. each with different movesets. It would save character slots and would be awesome, though it won't happen. You'd have Mario, SMB 3 Mario, Shadow Mario from Sunshine. I guess it would only work for some characters though... ah well just a pointless rant to make up for the boredom of this update.

Some people are thinking the exact same thing for Lucas/Ness.

[Raziellink]

Lame.






Well, it's interesting for sure, but....






Lame.

[Tables]

All you guys saying that the updates are getting lame: Shut up.

With the game delayed, they need 'boring' updates to space it out.

They don't even have to do this site at all. You should be happy you were told this much.

[Brushfire2004]

Woe is me today. I leave work (Which is temporarley my only source of the internet) for a few days and when I come back the Smash Bros website is BLOCKED!!

This is truly a sad day for me.

>___<

[I-n-j-i-n]

All you guys saying that the updates are getting lame: Shut up.

With the game delayed, they need 'boring' updates to space it out.

They don't even have to do this site at all. You should be happy you were told this much.

Thanks for proving our point.

As for 'told this much' part, I think they might be revealing too much. We went over that like... 100 pages ago.

[BardicKnowledge]

Is anyone else getting the feeling that they had planned out what things they were willing to release before launch against the original release date, and are screwed now that it's been delayed until February?

Called it. Bring on mundane updates! :p

[Brushfire2004]

BK

You totally called it d00d.

[SirChadlyOC]

I'm not sure how this handicap system is any different from the old system. Can someone remind me how it used to work and what makes this so different?

For example, I know that he said that making yourself waeker isn't thrilling, but isn't that exactly what is still happening? I'm confused...

EDIT: Oh wait, now I get it. The previous system made you send your opponent less distance, but now, you yourself get sent farther because your damage is higher. Is that right? Sorry for the idiocy, everyone.

[BardicKnowledge]

^That's right -- your attacks just didn't have the oomph before, and you got sent flying farther at lower percentages. Which made the handicap biased (IMO) against lighter-weight characters, since Ganondorf and the like took greater handicaps to be affected as much as say, Pikachu/Peach.

[Aninymouse]

Well, looks like we can combine Super Sudden Death with any other mode of our choice this time! Sounds awesome.

[Gerbah]

I know it's probably been pointed out before, but I'm glad they seem to be making the "heavy" fighters a lot more viable now. I've heard good things about Bowser in Brawl from the demo, so that'll be interesting to see.

I also noticed that we've been given three new "heavy" fighters, or at least it looks that way. Ike I hear is very slow and strong, so I guess he counts as a heavy (plus he also has that "can't be stunned during some attacks" thing). King Dedede, who looks like he has a multi-jump ability like Kirby, but is also a heavy... Sounds kinda dangerous, a heavy that can recover? Then it looks like Pokemon Trainer's Charizard is a "heavy" character, or he could just be big and average, but I'm gonna lean towards heavy. It also looks like he'll be able to mulit-jump, or at the very least we know he can glide...

At any rate, glad to see that the game is trying to make the other characters able to compete better with the "fast" characters.

[Jarvi]

wow, new song is pretty cool, def does bring back memories from when I played that game like crazy with my best friend.

[Eulogic]

awesome, another boring update

keep it up, sakurai! maybe tomorrow you can reveal pikachu's moves as being exactly the same as in melee!

[friendlyHunter]

awesome, another boring update

keep it up, sakurai! maybe tomorrow you can reveal pikachu's moves as being exactly the same as in melee!
What are you expecting, a new character every day? This is over a minute of music, and an explanation of not just three, but FOUR moves. Anyone posting just to complain that the update is "boring" is just making the thread boring.

So, about that update..... yeah, it's pretty boring. 'night!

[nohero]

What is Sakurai referring to as "Kirby's wing ability?" Is he talking about Superstar?

[Paratha]

Kirby hidden ability CONFIRMED.

[Red Shadow]

digging this arrangement

[Arek the Absolute]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
I SO WANTED THIS SONG IN THIS GAME
caps

EDIT: correction, both songs
at the end of the teaser for the arrangement, you hear taking over halberd too
fucking sick
so fucking sick


Kirby hidden ability CONFIRMED.
how about you play some kirby superstar instead of spreadin rumors

[Atmuh]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
I SO WANTED THIS SONG IN THIS GAME
caps

EDIT: correction, both songs
at the end of the teaser for the arrangement, you hear taking over halberd too
fucking sick
so fucking sick

the arrangement sucks

[Arek the Absolute]

psh who the fuck cares
the song is in the game
that is all that matters to me

[Brushfire2004]

Sigh...

I wish the internet at work didn't block the Smash Bros website.

I get the feeling that soon they will have blocked this site too.

[Neo Samus]

Good arangement. But I'm also not very picky when it comes to game arangements.

Calling people whining about too much Midi......

[Global-Trance]

Some know me as notorious for having high standards for quality in music and I have to say this music update fails. I can see what they were trying to do, but it just sounds plain half-assed.

[Antipode]

Some know me as notorious for having high standards for quality in music and I have to say this music update fails. I can see what they were trying to do, but it just sounds plain half-assed.

This probably has the worst instrument quality of the ones we've heard so far but I think it might be one of the better songs we've heard so far. Definitely fits Kirby, at least, and I think it would work well for Smash. This REALLY reminds me of the music from the N64 Smash, which is both a good and bad thing.

[Triad Orion]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the musical update either. The song itself sounds okay, but the instrumentation is just lousy. I think if they improved the sound of the instruments, it'd probably be much better overall.

As for the moveset update, I'm going with "meh." Nothing really all that exciting there. None of Meta Knight's moves on paper have that "Oh, Snap!" reaction, though the Cape may prove to be great for throwing people off. But the WOW factor certainly isn't there. Oh well, they can't all be winners.

[Antipode]

He's still going to be the most-used character other than Snake, guaranteed...

[Arek the Absolute]

That is a problem why? I have been wanting metaknight in a for a while, so I am excited as hell that I am going to be able to use him.
I totally am repping him and that is no doubt.

[E sharp]

It's only a bad thing because people'll lack variety or some bullshit like that.

Personally I don't really care. It's like when people used to complain about yoshi and drybones in mariokart DS, the only people you heard complaining weren't very good at the game.

[Admiral_C]

Wow... love the music. Brings back some good memories.

[Atmuh]

they should have just put the original spc file in the game the update has made me listen to it constantly for the past few hours
its kinda sad how the sound quality of the spc file sounds better than this new god awful arrangement

[BardicKnowledge]

its kinda sad how the sound quality of the spc file sounds better than this new god awful arrangement

Wow. I didn't feel like listening to the arrangment because it requires me to go grab headphones from across the lab, but I did when you said this, Atma. And the sad part is that you're right! SS was actually better. Can't help but feel that I deserve more than this after experiencing Galaxy...

[Alpine Flame]

Sigh...

I wish the internet at work didn't block the Smash Bros website.

I get the feeling that soon they will have blocked this site too.

Damnable military filters. Always cuttin' down on our productivity.

[Cerrax]

they should have just put the original spc file in the game the update has made me listen to it constantly for the past few hours
its kinda sad how the sound quality of the spc file sounds better than this new god awful arrangement

I'm still keeping the hope alive that the first time I put Brawl in my Wii, Sakurai will pop up on the screen and say "Ha! We fooled you. We actually used live musicians for everything instead fo crappy midis!"

[Jaybell]

Nifty arrangement, but that midi is ugly. D:

This week has been pretty lackluster. Tomorrow better be related to Brambles, or Hotel Dusk, or Missingno, or some other long shot that has no way in hell of being in Brawl ('cept the brambles. :D)

[Scufo]

Guys.

The quality is because of the site's compression. It'll sound better in-game.

[Arek the Absolute]

Yup, which is what I said before as well.
Go listen to the main theme that Nobuo made again and see how different it is to when you first listened to it. Compression even raped THAT, so stop hating.

[DJ SymBiotiX]

So I had a really sweet idea today which I think would have been freaking sweet. Battle toads!! Though I dont think it will happen.

[BardicKnowledge]

^Can't believe that no one has thought of this yet. You're the best person of the day...and Battletoads definitely need to be in the game now.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Put some Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in there. And those f'n Sharks.

[Morrack]

Actually, I'm also surprised that no-one has mentioned Double Dragon games so far :).
Would be great to have Billy or Jimmy Lee in the game, although I'm kinda doubting whether they would be playable. Maybe support figs.

By the way, for those who have not seen it yet, I really like the support figure in this movie:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/117244.html

Jay, Advance Wars!

[Linkjing Donuts]

hooooooooly shit, this is an amazing update.


I will be using this so much

[Bigfoot]

Wow, very unexpected. Pretty cool.

[Linkjing Donuts]

also, alternate costumes don't look to be very different from melee; all it is is different colors, judging from the screens

[I-n-j-i-n]

I just hope they can deliver the technical aspect so that it actually works. It sounds like a total pain to get it working smoothly. FPS games did it a full decade ago, but never in auto-broadcast.

[Binjovi]

also, alternate costumes don't look to be very different from melee; all it is is different colors, judging from the screens

Unless the costumes are separate from the colors. As in, you can change regular Mario to look like Dr. Mario, but you'd still be able to choose pink, black, green, etc.

Still, costumes do sound unlikely since Daisy would be a perfect Peach costume.

[Majin GeoDooD]

Awesome update.. I can see myself using this a lot.

[Strike911]

uhm....

I don't think I like this update. I mean, interesting feature, but seriously, if I want to watch Smash Bros I'll find good players on YouTube instead of watching random matches on my TV. I mean, sure, I guess we can unlock stuf (which essentially forces us to use the feature) .... but ... meh...

I just.. I dunno, this update bugs me kind of. I kind of feel like it'll be similar to Camera mode in Melee. It was interesting, but no one ever really used it.

[Neo Samus]

Most online games that I know have some sort of Spectator mode. I think it will be a welcome addition personally.

[Majin GeoDooD]

I don't think I like this update. I mean, interesting feature, but seriously, if I want to watch Smash Bros I'll find good players on YouTube instead of watching random matches on my TV. I mean, sure, I guess we can unlock stuf (which essentially forces us to use the feature) .... but ... meh...

Yea.. but YouTube compresses the shit out of their video and quality usually decreases a good bit. Wouldn't it be nice to watch a good match on a nice, big TV?

[JackKieser]

Amen to that. Really, like Camera mode, this update is great for certain people, and neutral to others. It's definitely not something that would hurt the game if included, and I'm sure those that are planning on using it will use it well (I'm one of the few people I know of who actively uses Camera mode in Melee, and I get some damn good SS's, too). What I think is great is that it will allow novice players who want to observe specific character's techniques to easily do so by letting them observe a variety of skilled (hopefully) players in real-time, in high quality. Lord knows I got better after observing people play Link / Doc.

A point goes to Sakurai.

--Jack Kieser

[TheCatPhysician]

uhm....

I don't think I like this update. I mean, interesting feature, but seriously, if I want to watch Smash Bros I'll find good players on YouTube instead of watching random matches on my TV. I mean, sure, I guess we can unlock stuf (which essentially forces us to use the feature) .... but ... meh...

I just.. I dunno, this update bugs me kind of. I kind of feel like it'll be similar to Camera mode in Melee. It was interesting, but no one ever really used it.

man, they keep putting in features where the concept is really cool, but they have to go out of their way to dumb it down just in case a frikken baby wants to play the game, because nintendo has to make games that cater to EVERYONE.

why can't they just have a little thing that says "if you're a frikken baby and want us to handle all options and change your diapers for you, check this box. if you think you can handle a few OPTIONS and use these features to their full potential, check this one."

[Binjovi]

Yea.. but YouTube compresses the shit out of their video and quality usually decreases a good bit. Wouldn't it be nice to watch a good match on a nice, big TV?


Exactly what I was thinking. Of course, if all we get is random matches delivered to us, then the youtube matches might be preferable.

[Antipode]

This is a cool update - but of course, wouldn't it be possible to just make two level 9 comps fight each other...?

[cobaltstarfire]

I just hope they can deliver the technical aspect so that it actually works. It sounds like a total pain to get it working smoothly. FPS games did it a full decade ago, but never in auto-broadcast.

I dunno, I kind of got the impression that the data is in a way recorded and sent to Nintendo for people to watch later, not as it's going on. But maybe I'm just interpreting it terribly horribly wrong.

[Majin GeoDooD]

Exactly what I was thinking. Of course, if all we get is random matches delivered to us, then the youtube matches might be preferable.

You may be right there. I'm sure the people that want to watch the good matches may go to YouTube.. but I'm sure there will be some good matches showing up on Spectator mode. Sakurai is right though by saying the mode will be good for beginners or those not good at fighting games.. letting them watch and get the hang of things, or watch a certain characters' moves and how they're utilized, etc.

[Binjovi]

I dunno, I kind of got the impression that the data is in a way recorded and sent to Nintendo for people to watch later, not as it's going on. But maybe I'm just interpreting it terribly horribly wrong.

"This mode is a service where Nintendo uses Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection to send the data for games played between other people to every Smash household."

It sounds like the data is recorded for your match, sent to Nintendo, and then distributed from their servers to your wii. So the matches probably won't be viewed in real time.

You may be right there. I'm sure the people that want to watch the good matches may go to YouTube.. but I'm sure there will be some good matches showing up on Spectator mode. Sakurai is right though by saying the mode will be good for beginners or those not good at fighting games.. letting them watch and get the hang of things, or watch a certain characters' moves and how they're utilized, etc.

Oh, definitely. And having this feature included certainly won't hurt the game in any way... only help. I'll probably be using it a bit myself.

[Sir_NutS]

at least he tried to spice it up with the coin-betting thing. It's something I haven't seen in any other spectator mode in any online game so that's a plus I guess.

I've never been a fan of spectator mode though.

[Scufo]

man, they keep putting in features where the concept is really cool, but they have to go out of their way to dumb it down just in case a frikken baby wants to play the game, because nintendo has to make games that cater to EVERYONE.

why can't they just have a little thing that says "if you're a frikken baby and want us to handle all options and change your diapers for you, check this box. if you think you can handle a few OPTIONS and use these features to their full potential, check this one."
Agreed 100%.

[megadave]

Agreed 100%.

I agree with him 50%. Seeing my girlfriend play co-star mode for Super Mario Galaxy and reading the instruction manual in the bed makes me think that Nintendo is on to something. As far as Smash Brothers Brawl goes - it's a hardcore game for hardcore people. Yet, if the interface is appealing to my gf and grandma, and they want to try, I'm all for it.

[Triad Orion]

I wouldn't agree that Brawl is a hardcore game for hardcore people.

Super Smash Brothers was always meant to cater to both the casual and to the hardcore. If you throw a bunch of casual Melee players together, I'd wager they'd have just as much fun with the game as a group of the hardcore playing together. Brawl will almost assuredly be the same way, and the Spectator Mode update is some evidence to that. Smash is meant to be a game for everyone: Simple to pick up, but very difficult to truly master.

That said, I like this Spectator Mode thing. I wouldn't mind finding a good fight or two with my Wii and watchin' how it plays out. That could be good entertainment if I can't find anything on TV.

[Kureejii Lea]

also, alternate costumes don't look to be very different from melee; all it is is different colors, judging from the screens

Pretty sure I've seen Pikachu with the hat in one of the E for All vids. I think Sonic's cuffs change a bit, too.

Hell, it could even be another aspect they're just hiding for the time being.

[Atmuh]

ya see this would be a good idea if they let you PICK A CERTAIN PLAYER WHOSE MATCHES YOU WANNA WATCH
seriously for the love of god what idiot is going to sit around and watch completely anonymous smash matches

[Bigfoot]

ya see this would be a good idea if they let you PICK A CERTAIN PLAYER WHOSE MATCHES YOU WANNA WATCH
seriously for the love of god what idiot is going to sit around and watch completely anonymous smash matches

I'm sure plenty of people are.

How would they execute this player search function that you desire? Do you know how many people use the same name, or how many people would pose as a good player by using their name?

[Arek the Absolute]

ya see this would be a good idea if they let you PICK A CERTAIN PLAYER WHOSE MATCHES YOU WANNA WATCH
seriously for the love of god what idiot is going to sit around and watch completely anonymous smash matches

Stop your bitching. It is just an additional feature, not something mandatory that you have to use.
Don't like it? DON'T USE IT.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

ya see this would be a good idea if they let you PICK A CERTAIN PLAYER WHOSE MATCHES YOU WANNA WATCH
seriously for the love of god what idiot is going to sit around and watch completely anonymous smash matches
I think Atma is completely right. Why dont you just watch 4 [very hard] computers fight each other instead. I think it would be pretty much the same.
If it had the names of the people fighting, then it would be a much better feature.

[Bigfoot]

Have you guys ever watched computers fight on Melee? It's so boring, and they do stupid things for no reason(like Captain Falcon doing up+b when nobody is even near him multiple times). Let's not even get started Luigi's over+b, haha.

[E sharp]

I'm sure plenty of people are.

How would they execute this player search function that you desire? Do you know how many people use the same name, or how many people would pose as a good player by using their name?
ever hear of friend codes?
But seriously if you cold chose who you're going to watch you could set up an online tournament so easy. You have a tournament of 32 players, playing 4 at a time, top two procede. You could have the entire tournament viewing all of the matches. And after a while you'd see some kick ass battles near the finals. That would be fucking entertaining.

[TheCatPhysician]

I agree with him 50%. Seeing my girlfriend play co-star mode for Super Mario Galaxy and reading the instruction manual in the bed makes me think that Nintendo is on to something. As far as Smash Brothers Brawl goes - it's a hardcore game for hardcore people. Yet, if the interface is appealing to my gf and grandma, and they want to try, I'm all for it.

i get what you mean, but just having options isn't going to ruin anything. right now from what i understand, you go into the spectator mode and it automatically sets you up with a match to watch. but it wouldn't ruin it for anyone to just have it so that you go into spectator mode, and then you can choose to either have a match set up automatically, or find one that you want to watch. this goes for ALL the features they're throwing in that could be a lot better - WOULD be a lot better, if they didn't go out of their way to make it so you have no options at all.

think about all the options you have for setting up a match in melee. anyone who's never even played before can just go to melee, select a character and hit start and be playing with all the default options. but, for people who want to change the options, you have the CHOICE to go to options and change stuff to your liking. does this ruin it for people who just want to start up a match without any care for what options are set? nope, because they don't have to bother with the options if they don't want to.


i can definitely see how this feature is useful for people who are just starting the game. they wouldn't care about finding certain people to watch; just watching any people who at least know the basics of the game can give them an idea of how the game is played. but other than that, it's just what atma said. who's gonna sit around and watch completely anonymous and random matches? sure this feature's great for beginners, but uh...that's it. it wouldn't cost them anything to just flat-out make this feature a whole lot better.


edit, to make a long story short. sure nintendo is getting it right at being welcoming to brand new players, like that dude's girlfriend for example. but it seems like for the most part, they're neglecting the other people, when they could easily make things good for both.

[Atmuh]

Stop your bitching. It is just an additional feature, not something mandatory that you have to use.
Don't like it? DON'T USE IT.

im saying that this ONCE AGAIN is something that has the potential to be an excellent feature but they make it useless
all theyd need to do is add a RANKING SYSTEM (HOW THE HECK DO THEY NOT HAVE ONE) and you could select to watch matches among higher ranked players if you chose or if youre a beginner you can choose to watch lower ranked matches
then if they REALLY wanted they could still keep them anonymous but at least youre picking what you wanna watch

this also presents a major flaw with their wifi play
after two months of xbox live i really appreciate ranked matches
when i go to unranked ones i get the balls beaten out of me every time, but when i play ranked im playing people like me
the lack of ranked matches is going to discourage all new players from playing online as theyll more often than not get the living garbage beaten out of them

aside from friend code (gay) matches the entire wifi play is a complete joke

so yeah i threw the whole live thing in there again but this isnt like its an exclusive live thing it is an ESSENTIAL aspect to any kind of online game

[MechaFone]

Have you guys ever watched computers fight on Melee? It's so boring, and they do stupid things for no reason(like Captain Falcon doing up+b when nobody is even near him multiple times). Let's not even get started Luigi's over+b, haha.
I actually do that, with Luigi. I like to watch him whoosh, whoosh around until he BAMS across the screen, especially when he shoots right off the screen. I lol hard when he does that.

[Scufo]

Seriously, anyone who doesn't see what Nintendo is doing wrong, and gives two shits about online play, should get an Xbox 360, play some online games, then go back to the Wii.

There is absolutely no reason why you have to fight or watch nameless faceless opponents. None whatsoever.

[friendlyHunter]

Do you have any idea how difficult it would be to have a "watch matches played by Joe Blow" option? Let's say Joe Blow's a hardcore player, and plays an average of 10 online matches a day. Now, suppose 20% of these matches are recorded and sent to Nintendo. So, every day, the "search for matches played by Joe Blow" option would have 2 new matches for you to watch. Now, multiply Joe Blow by tens of thousands of Smash players - that replay data would quickly build up into an absolutely MASSIVE amount. Now let's say Nintendo only keeps the replays for, say, one week, or maybe one day. So on any given day, you'd have maybe 5 or 10 Joe Blow matches to watch, several of which you've probably already watched. However you tweak the numbers around, you'll always have either have too much stress on Nintendo's (for their FREE SERVICE), or a minuscule amount of replays to watch. I'll shut up if anyone can show me a widely played game out that has this same feature and does it well.

If you want to watch matches by Joe Blow, TELL HIM TO SEND YOU HIS REPLAYS!

If you want to watch only CPU players fight each other, YOU ARE VERY EASILY AMUSED!

The broadcast is like a TV station. ONE TV station. The Brawl channel. Brawl Broadcasting Corperation, if you will. Sure, it might be nice to have more than one channel, but really, do we need more than one? Just because it's a great game doesn't mean it needs everything you want.
so it should be fun to have people in different environments watch and cheer the same match.
Again, Sakurai's chosen more of a "TV" philosophy here, rather than a "YouTube" one.
Plus, betting would be impossible if it wasn't "broadcast" style. I'm just wondering if this betting option will nudge people towards (or away from) gambling addictions?? I'm sure Jack Thompson can't wait to hear about it......


I will admit, their method of random "data collection" looks unbelievably lame.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various09/various09_071024e.jpg
Why is there no "submit" button here?? Why would random matches be more entertaining (or more fun to bet on) than ones people specifically submit to Nintendo??? Bah, if they decide to make the broadcast show replays that people sumbit, it'll probably delay the game another two months.

...Wii games can get patches, right? =D


all theyd need to do is add a RANKING SYSTEM (HOW THE HECK DO THEY NOT HAVE ONE)
That's a good question. I'm really hoping they have a "choose your skill level" thing - without it, online play would be pretty awful. Really, the only reason I'd want to play with people I don't know is when the people I DO know are a different skill level than me. If half of my online opponents are either way better or worse than I am (which is bound to happen if there's no skill levels or ranking), then, well... my time might be better spent betting on anonymous Brawl players or playing with stickers.

[Atmuh]

...Wii games can get patches, right? =D

no because nintendo finds hard drives to be useless, the little bit of memory it has aint gonna cut it at all

thats why all the unfortunate souls that bought guitar hero 3 for the wii cannot play co op quick play and cant download song packs

[I-n-j-i-n]

It's all propaganda at the moment. There is absolutely no reason why Nintendo can't pull it off technically. They're playing all frumpy and hard to get just because the competitors are onto it. I bet the next gen Nintendo system will have all of the above. Or not, if they're REALLY that knuckleheaded about PC technology.

I'm still waiting in anticipation as to whether the SSBB game replay will show the best players going at it.

[Dhsu]

no because nintendo finds hard drives to be useless, the little bit of memory it has aint gonna cut it at all

thats why all the unfortunate souls that bought guitar hero 3 for the wii cannot play co op quick play and cant download song packs
Hey do you know how many songs a 1GB SD card can hold. It's kind of a lot.

I really doubt space is the issue.

[Atmuh]

Hey do you know how many songs a 1GB SD card can hold. It's kind of a lot.

I really doubt space is the issue.

a song pack (3 songs) is almost 100 MB
so not that much

[Dhsu]

Dude, they don't even have 10 song packs yet. Also the wonder of removable media is that you can buy more.

Stop being such a Mr. Smartypants.

[Ciel]

I don't really get their big fuss over anonymity, do they really think it's security issue for some stalker/pedophile to know a kid's online handle? Even if they insist on keeping voice chat out, would it really hurt to display player names in replays and wi-fi matches?

[Bigfoot]

Does the Wii support any size SD card? Don't they have 8gb or 16gb ones out now?

I don't really get their big fuss over anonymity, do they really think it's security issue for some stalker/pedophile to know a kid's online handle?

They really need to get over it. There's this thing called parental controls, and parents need to get involved and use them so it'll stop ruining things for everyone else :P

[Atmuh]

I don't really get their big fuss over anonymity, do they really think it's security issue for some stalker/pedophile to know a kid's online handle? Even if they insist on keeping voice chat out, would it really hurt to display player names in replays and wi-fi matches?

actually the problem lies in friend codes
because they use numeric codes and not usernames you cant display their unique identity over their head

otherwise if you could put any old name over your head everyone could end up with the same name or they could be explicit (OH NO!)

even if i was a pedophile and i saw some kid's name I COULDNT EVEN TALK TO HIM so what the heck is the problem

[Brushfire2004]

No voice chat? That sucks hard. Most games have been using voice chat on consoles since SOCOM(More than likely before that).

As for the online handle, I'm still pissed off that my custom guy in Pokemon Battle Revolution is unable to say his custom lines in there. How can you go wrong with someone saying at the beginning of a fight "For America!!!" and spinning a little pojeball on his finger.

[Critical Hit]

Clearly some of you guys haven't noticed that the updates are pretty thin in content. Most special move updates don't even showcase all four special moves. To assume that EVERYTHING about online play has been revealed already is just plain ol' ignorant, and to bitch about things like "no voice chat, no online ranking system, spectator mode is so limiting, etc etc etc" is godamn pointless. Why? When they revealed Pit's special moves, did you freak out about "OMGWTFBBQ PIT ONLY HAS TWO SPECIAL MOVES, WTF SAKURAI?!?!".....? Clearly there's more content coming for every aspect of the game, including online, so would people please stop whining about features that have not been confirmed/denied at all. :|

[cobaltstarfire]

I thought at some point it was said that there is no ranking system, and everything is entirely anonymous.

Unless you think theres a mode of play where that doesn't happen...

[Atmuh]

Clearly some of you guys haven't noticed that the updates are pretty thin in content. Most special move updates don't even showcase all four special moves. To assume that EVERYTHING about online play has been revealed already is just plain ol' ignorant, and to bitch about things like "no voice chat, no online ranking system, spectator mode is so limiting, etc etc etc" is godamn pointless. Why? When they revealed Pit's special moves, did you freak out about "OMGWTFBBQ PIT ONLY HAS TWO SPECIAL MOVES, WTF SAKURAI?!?!".....? Clearly there's more content coming for every aspect of the game, including online, so would people please stop whining about features that have not been confirmed/denied at all. :|

obviously you dont read the updates
rankings are confirmed to not be there
handles are confirmed to not be there
voice chat AHAHAHA not gonna go there


so yeah everything ive said is right

[Arek the Absolute]

chill the fuck out atma
i think you need some more time off of the net

[cobaltstarfire]

He needs a nap?

I honestly don't care a whole lot about the online bit being set up the way it is, gamers that really want to get into it will network anyway, or try really hard to. What I'm hoping for is a list that's big enough to handle that, it seems a lot of games in the psat have insignificantly sized lists.

Then again I don't really mind anonymous non rated battles either, sure I might run into people that'll cream me, or be too easy, but if I play against the former often enough my skill will eventually increase.

Yeah, ok so I'm a go with the flow sort, really it's no fun to get ones undies in a bunch over something that won't be there, and probably won't be regardless of how much windging is done. meh..

[Drack]

Seriously, anyone who doesn't see what Nintendo is doing wrong, and gives two shits about online play, should get an Xbox 360, play some online games, then go back to the Wii.

There is absolutely no reason why you have to fight or watch nameless faceless opponents. None whatsoever.

Quoted for emphasis.

Why must everyone who's not friended be anonymous? Why the friend codes? Nintnedo needs to realize that children of overprotective parents are NOT THEIR ONLY AUDIENCE.

Blocking names, voice chat, etc. should be under parental controls, not mandatory. That, and they need to have a nintendo.com login name - based online service, something like Xbox live does.

The "Add rival" feature in metroid prime hunters was a baby step in the right direction.

[Atmuh]

chill the fuck out atma
i think you need some more time off of the net

why
i think someone needs to get these stupid fanboy faggots to wake up and realize everything nintendo is doing wrong, or could do better
not make retarded justifications because its nintendo and they love it so much


ive said it a zillion times and its been said by others also
play on xbox live for a week then go back to the wii
you will find a zillion problems with it

[Linkjing Donuts]

so you think it's okay to kill the fun everyone is having?

are you some kind of demon that feeds off other people's sadness? Why the shit would you come in to make other people feel bad about what they like? If it is all for your ego, then you might need some one to tell you about every thing you're doing wrong.

go live a happy and friendly life for a week, then go back to being an ass. You'll see that there are a trillion things wrong with your personality.

[Inimitable]

Just because atma is being douchy about it doesn't make him any less right. Nintendo sucks hard when it comes to online, and despite high expectations Brawl is looking to be more of the same. Trying to get people to wake up and see that is apparently a lost cause.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

You seem to be under the assumption that the reason we're all so excited about brawl is that we "don't get it," or "don't see it."

We get it. It's not xbox live. We can't use it to question the sexuality of random people while we play them.

We still think it's gonna be an awesome game. Do you understand this, or is it completely beyond your comprehension that there's more to gaming than being able to question the sexuality of random nobodies while they massacre and/or teabag you?

[Atmuh]

actually i used to be the happy jolly person like all of you who got excited for everything nintendo and thought they could do no wrong

then i bought a wii


and im sure the offline component will be extremely excellent
i am to criticize nowadays

[Infinity's End]

I can't believe you disrespectful little shits are complaining about Smash Bros. online capabilities. Don't you realize it's COMPLETELY FREE?! Just the fact that it IS online is a god-send!

[Atmuh]

I can't believe you disrespectful little shits are complaining about Smash Bros. online capabilities. Don't you realize it's COMPLETELY FREE?! Just the fact that it IS online is a god-send!

another fanboy trying to justify

[SirChadlyOC]

Myself, I'm happy to hear Atma's rants, even if I don't agree with many of them. I'm as big a Nintendo fanboy as the next (I don't even own an XBOX or PS system), but I've got to say he's right. Too much anonymity is going to blur the difference between playing strangers on the 'Net and playing high-leveled computers. Why go online in the first place if it feels like you're playing nameless, soulless machines who are better than you? Please Nintendo, quit removing the humanity from multiplayer.

That said, Atma, drink less coffee. Or more. Whatever gets you to swear less :<

[cobaltstarfire]

I can't believe you disrespectful little shits are complaining about Smash Bros. online capabilities. Don't you realize it's COMPLETELY FREE?! Just the fact that it IS online is a god-send!

I don't think you're helping your case much by responding like that...

Atma is for the most part pretty fairly critiquing the online capabilities (at least of what we know, who knows maybe there is something great in there). Although he could probably take a chill pill, I do agree with the points he's making; even if strong online play is not anything of great importance to me.

If it *was* important to me though, I might be a little frustrated to watch other people so resigned to the fact that the online looks to be on the weak side, much like Atma seems to be (frustrated at the weak online capabilities).

But meh, nintendo always seems to be a little behind on these sorts of things, they'll catch up eventually...I hope.

[linkspast]

Wow so this is what happnes with out updates... dang... oh well at 11 it will be good.
oh and Nintendo should really look at the competitors online system and learn what works and try to implement it in there own system... There is no reason not to.

[Atmuh]

That said, Atma, drink less coffee. Or more. Whatever gets you to swear less :<

read my posts
i have never sworn ever
i dont swear

[Bigfoot]

I honestly couldn't care if Brawl has online or not. Ok, that's not entirely true, but I'm not looking forward this game for the sole purpose of playing online. When I get Brawl, I'm going to be playing with my 6 other friends that have been eagerly waiting for this game too. I don't want to have to wait for a match up, play, wait again, and play, etc. This usually takes a few minutes per match with my experience in wi-fi games. I'd rather just have guaranteed matches whenever I want when we're at someone's house.

Having online play is just a bonus to me.

Xbox Live is amazing, but everyone knows Nintendo's online service will never be like this on the Wii. I love how people still complain about it like it's just being acknowledged as to what Nintendo's online service is. We're always going to have friend codes. It's not like someday Nintendo is going to announce "OK everyone, if you have a mynintendo account, that will now be your Wii online name! People can just add your name to your friend's list and it'll keep track of all of your games/online activity!".

Maybe some day Nintendo will get their feet wet in this online gaming world. I wish the next time when some game blog or whatever has an interview with someone big at Nintendo that they'll ask when or if they'll ever produce an online service that is on par with Xbox Live.

[Triad Orion]

Both sides have their points in this debate. Personally, I think anonmyinty online is a blessing in some ways. As Geoffrey Taucer pointed out, it's good in that you don't have to deal with as much constant swearing, bragging, and just general douche-baggery. In some ways, this makes internet play more accessible to people who don't frequently play online to begin with.

However, by contrast, yes, it does cause issues with seasoned online players, which are a significant portion of the game's audience. I think Nintendo's opting to go the "safe" route for several reasons, most of which have already been discussed. While I do agree that I wish I could have an online handle, I care little about anything else. So, I personally don't have much issue with the current way Nintendo's doing the online play. *Shrugs*

[DuskyFerret]

Hmm, big iceberg, not bad. I was hoping for a volt-tackle kind of move where they morph into a giant killer eggplant, but it doesnt matter, this looks alright and its gonna cause hell for other players, specially on tight levels.

Ice Climbers used to be my secondary characters in Melee behind the Doc, but I'm guessing they dont get much love here, do they? :<

[I-n-j-i-n]

I'm pretty sure the reason why people jump to conclusions on the online features is because their track record hasn't exactly been good or quite as advanced as its competition (POLLS on the Wii? ZOMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG).

Also, their ardent shooting-down of any and all hard drive, voice and other features just leads people to think it won't have the extended online features the other consoles do. It's simple empirical logic as far as online play is concerned.

I agree with Bigfoot though. Even with something like Virtua Fighter 5, the online feature is NICE, but it's definitely not necessary. It's just a bonus and not really something that will make or break SSBB.

"As Geoffrey Taucer pointed out, it's good in that you don't have to deal with as much constant swearing, bragging, and just general douche-baggery. In some ways, this makes internet play more accessible to people who don't frequently play online to begin with."

I have to disagree with that one. Because some games really are a haven for douchebags like in MMORPGs or slower FPS games where people can actually have more fun messing around and being jackasses than not. But SSBB and other fighting games really don't lend themselves to being very chatty games as far as online games are concerned. I still think it's more of a security issue with Nintendo since they're probably concerned more about litigation issues such as when people swear in game and online solicitations.

[Bigfoot]

I've always had this theory, it's kind of silly, but it's a theory. The Wii is basically making Nintendo a ton of money, right? It's casual. It's successful, but for how long? Nintendo has made it clear that they are attracting the more casual crowd for this console, and it's obvious the little machine isn't "next-gen" graphics.

Now, what if, say in 2-4 years, Nintendo announces a console for the "hardcore". It's the powerhouse that everyone has wanted from Nintendo. Gaming in 1080p with noticeably better graphics than the 360/PS3 , multi-media center, and online gaming service that is like XBL. Didn't Nintendo say they didn't go the HD road because HDTVs aren't that common in households? That % is quickly getting bigger every day, so they'd have more reason now. They would then have control of both markets: the casual, and hardcore gamer. I guess this seems more like a fantasy, but anyway. Sorry about derailing the thread :P

Go giant frozen Snorlax-like final smash :P

[Effef]

And once again the ice climbers prove themselves to be the lamest characters ever

[Cerrax]

I've always had this theory, it's kind of silly, but it's a theory. The Wii is basically making Nintendo a ton of money, right? It's casual. It's successful, but for how long? Nintendo has made it clear that they are attracting the more casual crowd for this console, and it's obvious the little machine isn't "next-gen" graphics.

Now, what if, say in 2-4 years, Nintendo announces a console for the "hardcore". It's the powerhouse that everyone has wanted from Nintendo. Gaming in 1080p with noticeably better graphics than the 360/PS3 , multi-media center, and online gaming service that is like XBL. Didn't Nintendo say they didn't go the HD road because HDTVs aren't that common in households? That % is quickly getting bigger every day, so they'd have more reason now. They would then have control of both markets: the casual, and hardcore gamer. I guess this seems more like a fantasy, but anyway. Sorry about derailing the thread :P

Go giant frozen Snorlax-like final smash :P

Don't make me wish for something like that. Its too good to ever happen. I would be so happy if that happened.

[Soma]

Don't make me wish for something like that. Its too good to ever happen. I would be so happy if that happened.

Yeah but i probably wouldn't buy it right off the bat. but it would be super awesome. Nintendo would never do that because it would be out of the casual price range though i'm sure it'd be quite a bit less expensive than ps3 was at launch. It should at least have enough power to emulate wii games, amirite? ^_^

[Aninymouse]

I've always had this theory, it's kind of silly, but it's a theory. The Wii is basically making Nintendo a ton of money, right? It's casual. It's successful, but for how long? Nintendo has made it clear that they are attracting the more casual crowd for this console, and it's obvious the little machine isn't "next-gen" graphics.

Now, what if, say in 2-4 years, Nintendo announces a console for the "hardcore". It's the powerhouse that everyone has wanted from Nintendo. Gaming in 1080p with noticeably better graphics than the 360/PS3 , multi-media center, and online gaming service that is like XBL. Didn't Nintendo say they didn't go the HD road because HDTVs aren't that common in households? That % is quickly getting bigger every day, so they'd have more reason now. They would then have control of both markets: the casual, and hardcore gamer. I guess this seems more like a fantasy, but anyway. Sorry about derailing the thread :P

Go giant frozen Snorlax-like final smash :P

You're a pretty silly dude. Nintendo doesn't want to create more competition for itself... even if it's with itself. More people buying "W II" (see what I did there?) will cause a dip in Wii hardware & software sales. Even though Nintendo continues to rake in mountains of cash, their third parties once again will jump ship.

Also... this is about as cool of a final smash as you can hope for with the Ice Climbers.

EDIT: ZING

[MasterSenshi]

I like the Snorlax pokeball... this actually seems pretty cool too me, and more effective than Yoshi or Diddy Kong's final smash... I may use them now. Drop a big piece of ice on everyone, no aiming required. :P

[FuriousFure]

I like the Snorlax pokeball... this actually seems pretty cool too me, and more effective than Yoshi or Diddy Kong's final smash... I may use them now. Drop a big piece of ice on everyone, no aiming required. :P

I may be mistaken here, which is alright with me, but when I read the description, I thought that the Iceburg would come up from the bottom, not the top!

Which explains why the characters on on top of it, slipping and sliding on the steep slopes.

[Atmuh]

You seem to be under the assumption that the reason we're all so excited about brawl is that we "don't get it," or "don't see it."

We get it. It's not xbox live. We can't use it to question the sexuality of random people while we play them.

We still think it's gonna be an awesome game. Do you understand this, or is it completely beyond your comprehension that there's more to gaming than being able to question the sexuality of random nobodies while they massacre and/or teabag you?

oh so without voice chat what about team battles
if youre playing a 2 on 2 match how do you talk to your partner
since without that its retarded

[megadave]

You don't. You just play and kick their ass. It's not the Gilmore Girls, it Smash Brothers, Atma. Sheesh.

[Bigfoot]

oh so without voice chat what about team battles
if youre playing a 2 on 2 match how do you talk to your partner
since without that its retarded

Since when do people in Team Smash matches talk to their partner about strategy or what to do? megadave said it perfectly.

[Effef]

Since when do people in Team Smash matches talk to their partner about strategy or what to do?

All the damn time?

Are you guys mute or something?

[Dhsu]

Heh, when I play 2v2, teamwork comes by complete accident. :)

[Mr.Roboto]

Really,in the team games I played there really wasn't any conversation at all.

I mean,it's not that hard to keep track of whats going on anyway.

[Wintermute]

Team games are silent as far as strategic communications go. I mean, if you turn to your partner and say "Hey, let's beat up Fox together," then you've let the cat outta the bag anyway. Unless you make up code words for various maneuvers, like "Delta V Triangle Hyperforce Monkey Technique, GO!"
And let's face it, that's gay.

[Scufo]

I think people are forgetting a very important fact about voice chat.

You can mute people. Don't want to listen to them, mute them. Or if you don't want to talk to anyone you can just not use a headset. No serious problems can come from voice chat.

Also the fact that Wi-Fi is free doesn't excuse Nintendo from providing what I consider to be less than the bare minimum. It's not like Xbox Live costs much anyway ($50 per year = less than $5 per month).

[HideousBeing]

Since when do people in Team Smash matches talk to their partner about strategy or what to do? megadave said it perfectly.Haha, ever been to a tournament?

Actually, they don't talk to each other much, but only because talking would betray their intentions to the opposing team. You can be sure they'd do it during the whole game if the other team couldn't hear.

Usually, all you hear is, "I got him." like calling it in volleyball, or "Sorry" when they KO their teammate. Other times, it'll be like, "Up" or "Back" when one Green Team guy has grabbed a Red Team guy, and the other Green Team guy tells him which direction to throw the Red Team guy for the combo. Again though, I'll say that they would surely be talking the whole match if they could only hear each other.

[Atmuh]

or how about HOLY BALLS THIS GUY IS BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF ME GET OVER HERE AND HELP ME
or do you want my item?
if team attack is on there are tons of ways to coordinate things by attacking each other

[Broken]

All the damn time?

Are you guys mute or something?

This made me imagine a kick-ass mime team who plays Game and Watch doubles.

It could happen!

[The Derrit]

oh so without voice chat what about team battles
if youre playing a 2 on 2 match how do you talk to your partner
since without that its retarded

Oh please. Anyone who's ever played halo online for more than a few minutes knows exactly how much gets done by voicechat in a team game unless its a competitive match. Nothing. And aside from that, what is your purpose here? I'm sure that a good portion of people here wouldn't be too upset if there wasn't any online at all, we have friends. So seriously, its not that hard to fathom its an imperfect system, but its not going to kill the game by any means.

[Atmuh]

Oh please. Anyone who's ever played halo online for more than a few minutes knows exactly how much gets done by voicechat in a team game unless its a competitive match. Nothing. And aside from that, what is your purpose here? I'm sure that a good portion of people here wouldn't be too upset if there wasn't any online at all, we have friends. So seriously, its not that hard to fathom its an imperfect system, but its not going to kill the game by any means.

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ok yeah the next time i play halo ill remember to not talk to my teammate



and to be honest im pretty much sick of all of you idiots saying YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL IT HAS ONLINE
if a game comes out for ps3 xbox 360 or pc that is FOCUSED ON MULTIPLAYER is online ever even a question?
if it were excluded on those platforms people would be UP IN ARMS

so why does nintendo get the special treatment

[Linkjing Donuts]

Heh, when I play 2v2, teamwork comes by complete accident. :)
hahahah yes it does. I find myself grabbing someone and my samus counterpart blasting him without us saying anything.

or the other way around, where I rest the poor sucka

[Azul v2]

Why don't you all just wait til the game comes out before you start complaining

They haven't released everything, afterall, it was just an update, not an announcement

[Atmuh]

Why don't you all just wait til the game comes out before you start complaining

They haven't released everything, afterall, it was just an update, not an announcement

because ive been pissed at nintendo for providing me with nothing that entertained me for a prolonged period of time for a while

[The Author]

because ive been pissed at nintendo for providing me with nothing that entertained me for a prolonged period of time for a while
Try Galaxy.

[Atmuh]

Try Galaxy.

i know ive been hearing that i just have only enough money to pretty much buy food for the next few weeks so i cant really get it
man i wish there was a free wii games site

and ive been looking forward to it JUST LIKE IM LOOKING FORWARD TO BRAWL but i seem to have the tendency to point out every thing that annoys me
but i always hope that not much does

and for the record i really really REALLY REALLY hope im wrong about the bad things i say about brawl
but im pretty sure im not

[MasterSenshi]

Have you checked out the VC? I know it's not the same as getting a brand new game, but if you can afford $5 or $10 maybe you could look up some classic games until you save up enough?

[Atmuh]

Have you checked out the VC? I know it's not the same as getting a brand new game, but if you can afford $5 or $10 maybe you could look up some classic games until you save up enough?

i have a computer
roms

and i own pretty much every old game i could possibly want already

[MasterSenshi]

Hmmm, well that's a position I'd like to be in, having more games than I could play. I have like 4 here at my college on Wii.

If you can rent the game a bunch of times, you could probably beat it w/o paying the full price. You might try that. Anyway, peace.

[Bigfoot]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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ok yeah the next time i play halo ill remember to not talk to my teammate



and to be honest im pretty much sick of all of you idiots saying YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL IT HAS ONLINE
if a game comes out for ps3 xbox 360 or pc that is FOCUSED ON MULTIPLAYER is online ever even a question?
if it were excluded on those platforms people would be UP IN ARMS

so why does nintendo get the special treatment

We should be thankful. They don't even have to give us any form of online service, but they do and it's free. If we were paying for Nintendo's current online system, I'd be pissed. I know, it's not that great of a system. People pay for XBL, so I expect it to be good, and it is. I don't care if it is only $50 a year.

I know, I know. Nintendo's online sucks. I'm not paying for it, so it's not like I should be bitching about something that is free. Bitching about it isn't going to change it. Maybe if Nintendo did a huge online survey that asked their customers how they felt about their online system, they'd see all the negative feedback. Maybe then they could change something.

[Atmuh]

We should be thankful. They don't even have to give us any form of online service, but they do and it's free. If we were paying for Nintendo's current online system, I'd be pissed. I know, it's not that great of a system. People pay for XBL, so I expect it to be good, and it is. I don't care if it is only $50 a year.

I know, I know. Nintendo's online sucks. I'm not paying for it, so it's not like I should be bitching about something that is free. Bitching about it isn't going to change it. Maybe if Nintendo did a huge online survey that asked their customers how they felt about their online system, they'd see all the negative feedback. Maybe then they could change something.

sonys is free as well
as is most pc games

they aint as good as xbl but a WHOLE LOT BETTER than nintendo

[Arek the Absolute]

atma knock it off

[Atmuh]

n o

[Bigfoot]

sonys is free as well
as is most pc games

they aint as good as xbl but a WHOLE LOT BETTER than nintendo

Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 doesn't even have online where Xbox's does.
So what's up with that?

Anyway, this will go on forever.

Nintendo's Online service isn't amazing, we've all known this for quite some time :P

[Atmuh]

Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 doesn't even have online where Xbox's does.
So what's up with that?

Anyway, this will go on forever.

Nintendo's Online service isn't amazing, we've all known this for quite some time :P

i know this could go on forever and to be honest CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU ALL THINK i dont want it to
just for the love of god stop saying we should be thankful for it

and people got pissed about the vf5 lacking online for ps3 because it definitely should have been there

[Bigfoot]

Smash is in a lose/lose situation. People would complain if it didn't have online, yet people complain about it when it does have online.

[Atmuh]

Smash is in a lose/lose situation. People would complain if it didn't have online, yet people complain about it when it does have online.

ok now youre missing the point
if it were lacking a few things here and there that are done on other consoles in the online component id probably mention the flaws but not be too pissed
the reason i complain is that it is lacking EVERY ESSENTIAL FEATURE TO AN ONLINE GAME

if the online mode were halfway decent i wouldnt complain (ok maybe a little but nothing like this)

all of this being said hey bigfoot wanna play some gh3 with me :]

[Bigfoot]

I don't have anymore XBL :[ I gotta buy a 12 month card.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Why don't you all just wait til the game comes out before you start complaining

They haven't released everything, afterall, it was just an update, not an announcement

It's called 'speculation' and 'discussion'. They fulfill themselves.

I find it funny when people see this as 'whining' or 'complaining' when basically the only thing up for question is obviously the online mode. Again, the trackrecord says it will be pretty clunky + functional at best. I don't really care for it at all, but I understand the complaints. I bet even the most ardent complainers who own the Wii will eventually buy the game anyway.

[linkspast]

Another Meh update... Oh well the captions are decent as usual.

[Necrotic]

Atma's fighting the good fight.

But seriously, I've been bitter about the Wii's online system since I first laid eyes on it. It worked perfectly on DS because of the fact that it's not that inconvenient to look at a computer screen and hook up with friends on a handheld. On a Wii it's a million times harder and less practical, and lacks some features that could seriously make this game blow everything out of the water, no criticisms required.

I think my favourite moments playing fighters with people were the days where me and online friends were playing King of Fighters while talking on Skype and just having a good time. It's been a while since I did that, but between all the joking and trash talk, you'd realize that being able to talk to the people you're fighting really makes a big difference in how much the potential for fun there can be when you actually have the option. Fighters for me have always been a social experience... a competitive one as well, depending on the game, but it's a good a reason I tend to play them more than most other games. You learn to appreciate having that opponent by your side for whatever you value having them most, whether it be to teach, to learn, or to talk and laugh.

I don't take for granted what I'm given and I don't think Atma is either. If anything I've come to appreciate the fact that he's honest about what he thinks. Other than that, I think we're done here, like Arek says.

[DuskyFerret]

Ok well now that that little saga is over and done with, (yea, we done?) let's move back to updates shall we?

Training mode looks good and Smartbomb is a long awaited idea.

But something caught my eye:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/images/various13/various13_071120c.jpg

What the hell is up with the soccer ball? and that other white thing? Am I missing something here?

[Neo Samus]

Soccer ball could be from Nintendogs or just any soccer game, and the other object appears to be a Volleyball. Could be from the NES game.

[Atmuh]

(yea, we done?)

never

Am I missing something here?

you see balls

[Flaming Wuzzle]

What the hell is up with the soccer ball? and that other white thing? Am I missing something here?
I'm guessing the soccer ball is from Animal Crossing, and the other white thing is a Smoke Ball.

[DuskyFerret]

Ahhh see? That's the Atma we all know and love

EDIT: Smoke ball, that's right. I forget. The soccer ball threw me off. I thought it was for an occassion like the Jack-O-Lantern. It looked a bit photoshopped.

[Mastertoku]

I itch for the unveiling of a new character...

One in particular, in fact. Though the prospect is doubtful.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m285/Mastertoku/geno.gif

Hey, he WAS the 3rd most requested character. Or something like that.

[Triad Orion]

I like that item. Also, sad Electrode is made of pure win. ...Wonder if you can still pick him up and chuck him even when he's a dud....

[SirChadlyOC]

Also, sad Electrode is made of pure win. ...Wonder if you can still pick him up and chuck him even when he's a dud....

I don't know, he looks so sad and upset that I think I'll leave him alone so he can go sulk in the corner and dream of happier days.

[Bigfoot]

There's pre-mature explosion, but not being able to explode at all.. poor Electrode.

[Hausdog]

It looks almost like Mario's throwing that hammer.
And I thought the same thing about Electrode and the explosion.

[Admiral_C]

Soccer ball is from MegaMan soccer... MegaMan confirmed!

Oddly enough, as I typed this reply... the guy with the soccerball appeared in the upper right corner... very strange (>.>)

[RocketSniper]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item12/item12_071120e-l.jpg

Do you have erectile disfunction? Is it ruining your sex life?

[eternal Zero]

Mario's definitely throwing what seems to be a dodgeball that's flying above the hammer. I also don't think those items are from a game in specific...just seems fitting of Nintendo to add in odd sports balls ala the Mario [Sport] lineup.

[MasterSenshi]

The white thingie looks like a volleyball, but it could also be a dodgeball.

So now we have Will Ferrell confirmed...... BOOOOO!!!!!


Perhaps well see AT from a bunch of older Nintendo sports title coming after this? That would be cool..

[Dhsu]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item12/item12_071120e-l.jpg

Do you have erectile disfunction? Is it ruining your sex life?
<:(

(10 char)

[Flaming Wuzzle]

Mario's definitely throwing what seems to be a dodgeball that's flying above the hammer.
The white thingie looks like a volleyball, but it could also be a dodgeball.
It's a Smoke Ball, I already explained that.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item07/item07_070806a.jpg

[Neo Samus]

It's a Smoke Ball, I already explained that.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item07/item07_070806a.jpg

Ninja Vanish!!! *Poof!*

[Mastertoku]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item12/item12_071120e-l.jpg

Do you have erectile disfunction? Is it ruining your sex life?

No, no, it's that sad circle from the Zoloft commercial!

[DuskyFerret]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item12/item12_071120e-l.jpg

Do you have erectile disfunction? Is it ruining your sex life?

Tried to go off with a bang, but all you got was a fizzle?

[Atmuh]

why are you guys trying to top rocketsnipers its by far the best youre embarrassing yourselves

[Mastertoku]

why are you guys trying to top rocketsnipers its by far the best youre embarrassing yourselves
Er?

Who said we were trying to top anything?

[TheCatPhysician]

why are you guys trying to top rocketsnipers its by far the best youre embarrassing yourselves
ha ha, really

[Mastertoku]

Dark Fox effing WINS.

I hope Ike's got a green suit of some kind...

[Airwalker]

So, Sakurai is obviously trying to come up with 2 extra months of material.

Still, it's nice to see the screenshots with some of the different colors.

What I would love to see if "Alternate Costumes".

[Linkjing Donuts]

ahahahahah I know someone called this


who called this

[MechaFone]

o.o Dark Link oooooooh.

[Linkjing Donuts]

also fusion suit is dumb because they just threw on the colors instead of having the actual suit


then again, that would make throwing the parts after final smash a bit weird

[GameBrain_vX]

Looks like the Digimon folks are missin' a pair of goggles. Gotta love those Homecoming pranks. But shouldn't it be the jocks trying to steal each other's mascots, not the mascots pocketing the jocks' stuff?

[friendlyHunter]

Not sure who was the one who called it. But I would've been disappointed if there WASN'T a costume update sooner or later. About 6 different costumes is good news! I've never played a Metal Gear game, but the picture of three Snakes checking each other out makes me laugh.

Anyone know if Samus has the Phazon Suit (black with red lights) from Prime 1? I think everyone can agree that those are the coolest Samus suit colours to date. I wonder why we (by which of course I mean "I") haven't seen any Zero Suit alternate colours yet...?

Anyone ever seen the DK TV show, the 3D animated one? It totally had a Yeti character that looked like DK with white fur, but his name escapes me at the moment.... it rhymed with "yeti", I'm pretty sure...... "Eddie"?

[DuskyFerret]

why are you guys trying to top rocketsnipers its by far the best youre embarrassing yourselves

Yea seriously dude, I think you missed the point :?

Nobody is trying to top anything, it was more an aknowledgement of his idea, and adding a further idea, rather than just typing "haha this made me lol and stuff". :tomatoface:


And just to make this post have some use, now Snake can have an accentuated ass in tiger skin. Nice.

[Bigfoot]

Oh man, it won't happen, but it'd be sweet if they gave Samus the Light Suit.

[eternal Zero]

Wow I do like that black dress on Zelda.

[Strike911]

Oh come now! Would it have been that hard to change Snake's hair to blonde and white for Liquid and Old Snake?! I suppose there's still hope. Maybe Dark version will be Liquid and his white version will be old snake. *shrugs*

.... grumble grumble....

tiger skin??!! TIGER SKIN!?!?!?!

Someone over at Sora must have been like, hmm, how can we make Snake look gay.... he's already in a skin tight suit, LETS THROW IN SOME TIGER STRIPES. UK YUK!

... geez... how about the just throw in "It's raining men" as his level music too while they're at it.

HELL, they should just make all of his color schemes pink leopard print too. To hell with it all.

*calm*


well, his other camou's look cool. Dark Link and Fox look hella sweet. And Zelda in black looks awesome (it looks like her hair is almost a sleek white which looks really cool.) It does make me wonder what Dark Pikachu will look like ? ... maybe black devil horns and red eyes ... that would be very scary actually.

[Effef]

Dark Link for the motherfucking win

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/images/technique08/technique08_071121c.jpg

[Raziellink]

Oh come now! Would it have been that hard to change Snake's hair to blonde and white for Liquid and Old Snake?! I suppose there's still hope. Maybe Dark version will be Liquid and his white version will be old snake. *shrugs*

.... grumble grumble....


That can only mean one thing.....




















Liquid Snake/MGS4 Solid Snake confirmed!


But seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if Liquid was in too, seeing as he's an extra bad guy, and more of them are always welcome.

[Eulogic]

omg pichu and jigglypuff deconfirmed

pikachu killed them and took their accessories!

or pichu evolved, killed the older pikachu, and took his hat.

[Baleshadow]

In the screenshot of Fox you get a really good look at his gun. It looks pretty badass.

[Neonlare]

Mmm, anyone notice the emphasis on "Dark" Characters? Perhaps these could be clones made by the Sub-Space Villains in order to fight the real things...

[eternal Zero]

Mmm, anyone notice the emphasis on "Dark" Characters? Perhaps these could be clones made by the Sub-Space Villains in order to fight the real things...

Yes. It has story mechanic written all over it. Same concept with having both a devil (Meta) and an angel (Pit).

[!Nekko!]

Yeti Kong :razz:

[Admiral_C]

Yes. It has story mechanic written all over it. Same concept with having both a devil (Meta) and an angel (Pit).

OMG... I hope they have a "white" MetaKnight color scheme... that would be three kinds of cool...

[Dunther]

Fuck the colors...I want the alternative costumes!

[Bigfoot]

Fuck the colors...I want the alternative costumes!

That would be cool. I wanna play Tanooki Mario.

[Eulogic]

I want the alternative costumes!

So play as Pikachu.

[Flaming Wuzzle]

tiger skin??!! TIGER SKIN!?!?!?!

Someone over at Sora must have been like, hmm, how can we make Snake look gay.... he's already in a skin tight suit, LETS THROW IN SOME TIGER STRIPES. UK YUK!

... geez... how about the just throw in "It's raining men" as his level music too while they're at it.

HELL, they should just make all of his color schemes pink leopard print too. To hell with it all.
I'm pretty sure that's his animal camo from MGS3. But, you know, don't let that stop your blind outrage.

[Arek the Absolute]

strike and atma both are like polar opposites yet the same in that they both take this shit too far

its just a game people

[Jarvi]

After playing some Metroid Fusion lately, trying to beat the SA-X at the end, and seeing the fusion color scheme on the site, anyone else think an X parasite would make a cool assist trophy? It could mimic a player and act like a computer controlled player for a bit or something, I dunno just a random thought I had.

[Antipode]

Only 75 more pages to go. CAN IT BE DONE?!

[Admiral_C]

Only 75 more pages to go. CAN IT BE DONE?!

Its freaking SMASH Bros., the unofficial game of OCR. It can and will be done.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Especially with inane banter, yeah.

BTW, did anyone laugh at the line "You can change the color of your character by pressing buttons on the character-selection screen!

This is one of the many joys of Smash. This time, each character has about six different color variations."

OOOOOOOOOh. I CAN CHANGE COLOURZ.

[Aninymouse]

Personally, I think the tiger skin camouflage is pretty badass. But that's just me. Dark Link, though, is probably the "coolest" alt. color scheme. I mean, everyone seems to love the idea. My favorite is probably the black dress Zelda, though! Zelda really needed a cooler color scheme than "pink and/or purple." Especially since, well, she's wearing a dress. Pink dresses are pretty tacky. It only works for Peach since she's the quintessential dumb blonde... and yet...

...so undeniably sexy! :<