Using samples from originals in your ReMix

[Theowne]

Are you allowed to use samples from originals in a ReMix? I looked over the Submission guide and couldn't find anything pertaining to this. By samples I don't mean instrument samples, I mean passages directly from the original into your mix (with your own original instrumentation and music, of course).

[djcubez]

You mean like directly sampling the mix. I don't think there's anything wrong as long as it follows the rest of the guidelines (i.e., re-arrangement). By using a sample from the original it usually means you're sticking to the original material a little to much and not expanding your boundaries. But it can work.

[zircon]

Yes, I constantly integrate original material into my remixes. It's part of making a unique arrangement. However, typically, it should be material that's related in SOME way to the source material.

[Theowne]

you're sticking to the original material a little to much and not expanding your boundaries

I agree, but in the original I'm thinking of doing there's a segment that's just very hard to reproduce the exact tone of, because it uses a lot of varied tonal percussion, so I was thinking off adding it to the segment I came up with to "recreate" that unique sound.

Yes, I cnostantly integrate original material into my remixes.

By original I mean original game track, rather than your own original works.

[djcubez]

you're sticking to the original material a little to much and not expanding your boundaries

I agree, but in the original I'm thinking of doing there's a segment that's just very hard to reproduce the exact tone of, because it uses a lot of varied tonal percussion, so I was thinking off adding it to the segment I came up with to "recreate" that unique sound.

Yes, I cnostantly integrate original material into my remixes.

By original I mean original game track, rather than your own original works.

Yes, I coostantly integrate original material into my remixes. It's part of making a unique arrangement. However, typically, it should be material that's related in SOME way to the source material.

I'm sorry but ROFL.

Back on topic I think it's valid. I've even sampled sections specifically for hip-hop/big beat songs. It's very cool.

[zircon]

Oh, go screw yourselves ;)

I don't get what's being asked. He's saying, directly sample the original.. but with your own instrumentation? Then it's not direct sampling, it's covering. Can you be more specific?

[djcubez]

Oh, go screw yourselves ;)

I don't get what's being asked. He's saying, directly sample the original.. but with your own instrumentation? Then it's not direct sampling, it's covering. Can you be more specific?

I think by instumentation he means added. He said something about percussion so maybe he means using a sample plus his own instrumentation.

[OverCoat]

like this?

http://vgmix.com/song_view.php?song_id=3673

[zircon]

If you can do it really tastefully, I suppose so. There's no rule against it, so it's case-by-case.

[Theowne]

What I meant was: You directly sample a clip from the original song and insert it into your ReMix, that's all. When I said "with your own instrumentation and music" I meant that it wouldn't be there by itself, but along with your own original material.

[Liontamer]

What I meant was: You directly sample a clip from the original song and insert it into your ReMix, that's all. When I said "with your own instrumentation and music" I meant that it wouldn't be there by itself, but along with your own original material.
Yeah, that's no issue at all. Irregardless of its relation to the game, as long as the SFX usage is tasteful and well-integrated into the track, it's fine.

[djcubez]

so is this (http://djcubez.com/music/vgremixes/djcubez%20-%20Dear%20Amigos.mp3) a good example then?

[V___]

so is this (http://djcubez.com/music/vgremixes/djcubez%20-%20Dear%20Amigos.mp3) a good example then?

I'v had that on my playlist for the last 2 days, n i keep skippin to it.... hopefully there be a longer version comin out?

[Nasenmann]

http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00097/

This is a nice one.

[OverCoat]

http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00097/

This is a nice one.

that also violates the guidelines ;0

[djcubez]

so is this (http://djcubez.com/music/vgremixes/djcubez%20-%20Dear%20Amigos.mp3) a good example then?

I'v had that on my playlist for the last 2 days, n i keep skippin to it.... hopefully there be a longer version comin out?
maybe lol. it really depends on my work ethic.

[myf]

so, like, a hip hop mix or a dj mix (like said seith mix) would/would not be in violation of OCR guidelines by todays standards? lets say for example, i do a complete overhaul of an original - total genre change - and sampled the original, chopped, cut up, mixed and tweaked, hip hop style in a complete rearrangement of the original theme; would it be in violation of the standards?

[Nineko]

come on guys, THIS is an example:
http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00079/

[zircon]

That's a mix that will probably get removed during the upcoming lockdown.

Our policy does not explicitly disallow sampling of the original, as Larry said. You have to look at it on a case-by-case basis.

[Nineko]

That's a mix that will probably get removed during the upcoming lockdown.:cry:
I know this post is going to be deleted but I love that remix.
Yes it's one of my favorites, I break the rules and so on but I love that remix.

[V___]

hey, i gotta revive this slightly dead thread with an example. I wrote this up with Reason 3 for the current PRC (http://www.ocremix.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2210714). I used 3-4 samples from the starting minute, and manipulated them around enough to change the theme (in my opinion at least) Would this be an acceptable use of samples in a remix?

link = http://www.geocities.com/v_gasm2000/FFXIII.mp3

[Arcana]

Sampling, though, is illegal... whereas covering is less illegal.


http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00079/

^ Being locked down? Aw, I like that mix. It's kind of cute.

[suzumebachi]

http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00097/

This is a nice one.

that also violates the guidelines ;0

idk, imo, the rules aren't clear cut enough to say that that violates the guidelines.


though, what part are you saying it's against?
this? does not borrow too heavily from outside sources

no. this:

ReMixer(s): DJ Seith

LOLO!Lo1lololl afk :arrow:

[Liontamer]

so, like, a hip hop mix or a dj mix (like said seith mix) would/would not be in violation of OCR guidelines by todays standards? lets say for example, i do a complete overhaul of an original - total genre change - and sampled the original, chopped, cut up, mixed and tweaked, hip hop style in a complete rearrangement of the original theme; would it be in violation of the standards?
Would be a violation. BTW, I like the second version he did of that, but merely slicing and cutting up the source material itself is not acceptable.

Your question throws some ambiguities into the picture, but if you're doing a legitimate rearrangement that happens to have some cut up sampling, that's ok. It's all about using the directly sampled original in a tasteful manner.

If you removed direct sampling from a song and the arrangement couldn't stand on it's own, that's a good indication that it's a violation.

[<_SHO_>]

The only problem with using material from the original mix in you remix is that it brings up even more copyright issues.
Thus far, We have all been very fortunate that no computer game companies have had any issues with OCREMIX. This may be because most of the tracks being remixed are from old games where the source material was unfit for sampling (Eg. old atari inbuilt synths etc.) If we start sampling from, say, a PS2 game that has an orchestra, we are not only violating intelectual copyrights but mechanical copyrights too.

If the companies let us get away with it it will be awesome and open up more opportunities. I have completed a remix of the Tenchu 1 themesong but haven't posted as yet due to this postential issue.

[Cerrax]

A truly excellent example of using the original music in the remix is The Wingless's Tear Drinker (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00786/)